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I thought I will die, if I wouldn’t make a 10 min sketch my scrawny old man Chiwa. Because he is cute with his receiding hair and frost-bitten ears.

I thought I will die, if I wouldn’t make a 10 min sketch my scrawny old man Chiwa. Because he is cute with his receiding hair and frost-bitten ears.

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Vol'jin the anti-hero

magepie:

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beccatheb:


The thing with this post is that people DO say all trolls are the same, they’re all evil and savage. I already know what you told me, but I must disagree what you say about Vol’jin, I don’t get where you get that he is in…

Oh, I’m really, really glad to read this (thank you for bothering to write such a detailed post). In fact, I totally see your point, and the funny part is that you’ve mostly written my opinion on this.

I neither hate Vol’jin nor idealise the Zandalari and Khal’ak to begin with. Actually, I really like them both and the truths they represent. If you remember, Khal’ak was far from content with the state of their civilisation. She knew that Vol’jin wasn’t into all that Empire nonsense, but she still put her bets on him. For her own purposes, of course, but also for the sake of her tribe, which was on the brink on losing its face. Remember her saying that the right to enjoy the splendor of the Empire is not their birthright. Zandalari are the best among trolls but not invincible, and Vol’jin was the living proof. He was a precious example for her people, not just her love interest. I hate it when people degrade her character to a creepy stalker - Vol’jin himself found her intriguing and competent. She is just a daughter of her haughty and vile tribe, nothing more :D 

Vol’jin can fight for whatever he feels right. His decision to die for the freedom of the pandaren WAS a noble one. Actually, he even considered the loa turning away from him for this decision. A shadow hunter, he still was going to stay in the monastery, whatever the loa would tell him. But he made this decision AFTER his character development, after seeing the zandalari being out of touch with reality and understanding, that he wasn’t betrayed by the Horde. For half of the book he even didn’t fully feel he was a troll anymore - and definitely not someone who still had responsibilities in the Horde. Remember, neither him nor Tyrathan felt they still belonged to their factions.

The last thing I am blaming Vol’jin for is being tempted by Khal’ak’s offer. He is a troll and, as you said, troll have different mentality. He found many guilty pleasures in being among the Zandalari. He is tough enough to see his comrades killed and keep his cool. He is more than ruthless to his enemies - he takes pleasure in killing and fear. All this is considered normal for a troll and a warrior of his standing. He is also very calculating and puts efficiency before honour, nobility, etc. He refused the offer, because he didn’t want to get involved with lunatics, not because “OMG war is evil!” 

The only thing I pity is the possibility, that Vol’jin himself COULD lead the trolls in the right way. But he grew distant from them while his tribe was part of the Horde. It is much easier to him to shape the Horde into something Thrall and himself wished to create, than to cope with the kind of Vilnak’dor. That is all I wished to say about this character.

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beccatheb:

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beccatheb:

"ALL TROLLS ARE JUST A BUNCH OF EVIL SAVAGES"
Yeaaaaaaah what did you say again?

Well, nobody says that all trolls are evil in the evil sense. But they hold much distrust of the surrounding world - more or less, depending of the tribe. You can find a friendly troll in a any tribe - a merchant, a guide, somebody who is wishing to survive by communicating with other races, not skulking in their ruins and dreaming of their glorious past. 

Speaking of this troll in the picture, he has a story too. He was betrayed and turned undead, so he has nowhere to go. He joins you, if you prove your worthiness in a fight.

Trolls’ “evilness” is not about wishing to kill or rape on sight. It is about their racism and isolation and distrust. Smaller tribes have no problems with merging with the world, but they still remember, how elves and humans ruined their civilisations (even though trolls has been killing each other for centuries). “Shadows of the Horde” tells a great story of troll mentality. Vol’jin, as much as fandom wishes to image him otherwise, is introverted, arrogant and treacherous - much unlike any other Darkspear shown in the game “for the sake of funny accent”. He still cares about his few friends and saviours, yes, but he is far from trusting or down-to-earth. He is a religious leader, a shadow hunter and he behaves accordingly. Would I call him stereotyped evil troll? Well, no, but he is not soft. I wish Blizzard could show more of this for any Darkspear in game. I’m so tired of the whole playable tribe being victims and comic reliefs.      

The thing with this post is that people DO say all trolls are the same, they’re all evil and savage. I already know what you told me, but I must disagree what you say about Vol’jin, I don’t get where you get that he is in no way treacherous, if you talk about how he turned his back on Garrosh, well, he wouldn’t have started a full blow rebellion if Garrosh didn’t try to freaking murder him first. And “cares about his few friends”, are we talking about the same character here? Because the last time I checked it Vol’jin cares about ALL OF THE HORDE and especially his tribe! He has offered a shit ton to make sure they are happy and safe, he ALWAYS push his own needs and decries behind to make sure those he cares for have it better first. Hell he even said “fuck you” to Garrosh and sent a warning to the Alliance, and if you call that “treacherous”, think again and maybe you will find it more as “tire of this BS of a war and actually caring about others, Horde and Alliance”. He doesn’t even hate the alliance, yes humans were along and made his life shit back at Darkspear isle but he sure seems to be over that now. Vol’jin wants to follow the footstepts of his father Sen’jin, and Sen’jin wanted a happy and peaceful world. So, yeah, what the “fandom wishes to image him” as, is what he really is.

The sad thing with World of Warcraft lore, especially with characters who were developed recently, is that a character is represented by a bunch of different people: novelists, quest designers and Metzen himself. This may lead to different character interpretations. I am not wishing to say that Vol’jin doesn’t care of the Horde - he cares about the Horde as its founder and leader, but that doesn’t make him a loving daddy in the big friendly Horde family. If you read the leader short story, you must remember him having to cut his own thumb off in order to save his future as a warrior and leader. His life is all about such choices: killing Zalazane, threatening Garrosh, destroying Zandalari, inviting Alliance to his homeland for the greater good of his tribe or the Horde. And, oh, show me any example of him caring about Alliance lately…

In my opinion, Vol’jin shows his treacherous side with the Zandalari. He makes Khal’ak believe he considers her offer, but uses zandalari pride to lure them into a trap. I don’t judge him as deceit was his only way to win, but he is not above lying, bluffing and backstabbing. He promised to backstab Garrosh long before Garrosh did it. Vol’jin is a “good guy” but he is NOT nice NOR honourable.   

Ok, sorry, but explain me how is it treacherus if Khal’ak was the one that kept him on her side the whole time using the life of his friends as a threat first,  (and actually, Vol’jin doesn’t make her believe he considers it, he actually considered it until he realised which was the right choice).

And also, remembering the short story, yes, he cut his own thumb, but in order to safe only his furute? At that point he the Loas had shown them enough, he did it because (and at least, this is what I understood) without his leading, the Darkspear would not survive. And he obviously wanted his people to survive.

I’m happy to actually discuss it with somebody who read the novel. The problem is, we don’t know the exact moment he made the choice. I understood so, that seeing Vilnak’dor sucking up to mogu made his mind once and for all. But then everything he told Khal’ak afterwards were blunt lies. They started planning the assassination of a zandalari general, and then Vol’jin suddenly changed his mind? I don’t think so. Yes, he considered Khal’ak’s offer, he took pleasure in her company - more or less, he watched the ritual and how two of his comrades were brutally killed, and he didn’t break a sweat. He considered joining the Zandalari, until he saw their general being a total idiot. Isn’t very noble of him, is it?

Speaking of the woman, I think her story is a tragic one. Khal’ak believed that Vol’jin’s leadership could change their whole race - as much as his own father, Sen’jin, believed. She didn’t want to become Vol’jin’s personal enemy and I don’t understand how he turned to despise her. She was in no way insincere. He willingly used her infatuation with him to deceive her. If it doesn’t make Vol’jin morally grey, then I don’t know, what does. Still he is better this way than a “blue Thrall” Blizzard wish to paint him in-game.

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beccatheb:

magepie:

beccatheb:

"ALL TROLLS ARE JUST A BUNCH OF EVIL SAVAGES"
Yeaaaaaaah what did you say again?

Well, nobody says that all trolls are evil in the evil sense. But they hold much distrust of the surrounding world - more or less, depending of the tribe. You can find a friendly troll in a any tribe - a merchant, a guide, somebody who is wishing to survive by communicating with other races, not skulking in their ruins and dreaming of their glorious past. 

Speaking of this troll in the picture, he has a story too. He was betrayed and turned undead, so he has nowhere to go. He joins you, if you prove your worthiness in a fight.

Trolls’ “evilness” is not about wishing to kill or rape on sight. It is about their racism and isolation and distrust. Smaller tribes have no problems with merging with the world, but they still remember, how elves and humans ruined their civilisations (even though trolls has been killing each other for centuries). “Shadows of the Horde” tells a great story of troll mentality. Vol’jin, as much as fandom wishes to image him otherwise, is introverted, arrogant and treacherous - much unlike any other Darkspear shown in the game “for the sake of funny accent”. He still cares about his few friends and saviours, yes, but he is far from trusting or down-to-earth. He is a religious leader, a shadow hunter and he behaves accordingly. Would I call him stereotyped evil troll? Well, no, but he is not soft. I wish Blizzard could show more of this for any Darkspear in game. I’m so tired of the whole playable tribe being victims and comic reliefs.      

The thing with this post is that people DO say all trolls are the same, they’re all evil and savage. I already know what you told me, but I must disagree what you say about Vol’jin, I don’t get where you get that he is in no way treacherous, if you talk about how he turned his back on Garrosh, well, he wouldn’t have started a full blow rebellion if Garrosh didn’t try to freaking murder him first. And “cares about his few friends”, are we talking about the same character here? Because the last time I checked it Vol’jin cares about ALL OF THE HORDE and especially his tribe! He has offered a shit ton to make sure they are happy and safe, he ALWAYS push his own needs and decries behind to make sure those he cares for have it better first. Hell he even said “fuck you” to Garrosh and sent a warning to the Alliance, and if you call that “treacherous”, think again and maybe you will find it more as “tire of this BS of a war and actually caring about others, Horde and Alliance”. He doesn’t even hate the alliance, yes humans were along and made his life shit back at Darkspear isle but he sure seems to be over that now. Vol’jin wants to follow the footstepts of his father Sen’jin, and Sen’jin wanted a happy and peaceful world. So, yeah, what the “fandom wishes to image him” as, is what he really is.

The sad thing with World of Warcraft lore, especially with characters who were developed recently, is that a character is represented by a bunch of different people: novelists, quest designers and Metzen himself. This may lead to different character interpretations. I am not wishing to say that Vol’jin doesn’t care of the Horde - he cares about the Horde as its founder and leader, but that doesn’t make him a loving daddy in the big friendly Horde family. If you read the leader short story, you must remember him having to cut his own thumb off in order to save his future as a warrior and leader. His life is all about such choices: killing Zalazane, threatening Garrosh, destroying Zandalari, inviting Alliance to his homeland for the greater good of his tribe or the Horde. And, oh, show me any example of him caring about Alliance lately…

In my opinion, Vol’jin shows his treacherous side with the Zandalari. He makes Khal’ak believe he considers her offer, but uses zandalari pride to lure them into a trap. I don’t judge him as deceit was his only way to win, but he is not above lying, bluffing and backstabbing. He promised to backstab Garrosh long before Garrosh did it. Vol’jin is a “good guy” but he is NOT nice NOR honourable.   

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beccatheb:

"ALL TROLLS ARE JUST A BUNCH OF EVIL SAVAGES"
Yeaaaaaaah what did you say again?

Well, nobody says that all trolls are evil in the evil sense. But they hold much distrust of the surrounding world - more or less, depending of the tribe. You can find a friendly troll in a any tribe - a merchant, a guide, somebody who is wishing to survive by communicating with other races, not skulking in their ruins and dreaming of their glorious past. 

Speaking of this troll in the picture, he has a story too. He was betrayed and turned undead, so he has nowhere to go. He joins you, if you prove your worthiness in a fight.

Trolls’ “evilness” is not about wishing to kill or rape on sight. It is about their racism and isolation and distrust. Smaller tribes have no problems with merging with the world, but they still remember, how elves and humans ruined their civilisations (even though trolls has been killing each other for centuries). “Shadows of the Horde” tells a great story of troll mentality. Vol’jin, as much as fandom wishes to image him otherwise, is introverted, arrogant and treacherous - much unlike any other Darkspear shown in the game “for the sake of funny accent”. He still cares about his few friends and saviours, yes, but he is far from trusting or down-to-earth. He is a religious leader, a shadow hunter and he behaves accordingly. Would I call him stereotyped evil troll? Well, no, but he is not soft. I wish Blizzard could show more of this for any Darkspear in game. I’m so tired of the whole playable tribe being victims and comic reliefs.      

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harrowingwhisperer asked: Your art is AMAZING. I'm Super glad to see other people who've read "Shadows of the Horde;" I really love your pictures of Khal'ak, because she was freaking great, and I love all your other WoW pictures as well!! I'm a troll myself. (/cheer) Taz dingol!!!

Oh, thank you very much! I was really amused by this book, It is such a shame that there is sooo little fan art on it (well, it’s the same with all other WoW books, I guess =((( ) And I love drawing trolls, of course. You’re welcome.